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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby palani » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:36 pm

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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby Banja » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:41 pm

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Banja wrote:Does Nurse Ratchett know you are at the computor or did you sneak in and use it?

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Your a trip dude. The barcode reads....." thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse".

Could you show me a wrathful dove? If you can it would help with trying to follow with whatever it is your trying to say.
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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby palani » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:53 pm

Banja wrote:[The barcode reads...

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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby Banja » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:09 pm

palani wrote:
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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby palani » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:39 pm

Banja wrote: If you can it would help with trying to follow with whatever it is your trying to say.

May we agree to disagree?

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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby Banja » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:37 pm

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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby lostandfound » Sat May 21, 2016 9:56 pm


Emotional Problems among Children with Same-*** Parents: Difference by Definition

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... id=2500537

British Journal of Education, Society and Behavioural Science 7(2):99-120, 2015

Abstract:
Aims: To test whether small non-random sample findings that children with same-*** parents suffer no disadvantage in emotional well-being can be replicated in a large population sample; and examine the correlates of any differences discovered.

Methodology: Using a representative sample of 207,007 children, including 512 with same-*** parents, from the U.S. National Health Interview Survey, prevalence in the two groups was compared for twelve measures of emotional problems, developmental problems, and affiliated service and treatment usage, with controls for age, ***, and race of child and parent education and income. Instruments included the Strengths and Difficulties Questionnaire (SDQ) and the Kessler Scale of Psychological Distress (SPD). Bivariate logistic regression models tested the effect of parent psychological distress, family instability, child peer stigmatization and biological parentage, both overall and by opposite-*** family structure.

Results: Emotional problems were over twice as prevalent (minimum risk ratio (RR) 2.4, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.7-3.0) for children with same-*** parents than for children with opposite-*** parents. Risk was elevated in the presence of parent psychological distress (RR 2.7, CI 1.8-4.3, p (t) < .001), moderated by family instability (RR 1.3, CI 1.2-1.4) and unaffected by stigmatization (RR 2.4, CI 1.4-4.2), though these all had significant direct effects on emotional problems. However, biological parentage nullified risk alone and in combination with any iteration of factors. Joint biological parents are associated with the lowest rate of child emotional problems by a factor of 4 relative to same-*** parents, accounting for the bulk of the overall same-***/opposite-*** difference.

Conclusion: Joint biological parentage, the modal condition for opposite-*** parents but not possible for same-*** parents, sharply differentiates between the two groups on child emotional problem outcomes. The two groups are different by definition. Intact opposite-*** marriage ensures children of the persistent presence of their joint biological parents; same-*** marriage ensures the opposite. However, further work is needed to determine the mechanisms involved.

SSRN version includes errata at the end of the paper.

Number of Pages in PDF File: 24

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05 ... ler-dykes/

We learned this morning of a mother whose child has been taken away from her, even though the baby was not at risk of any harm, and given to a gay couple with whom she had a surrogacy arrangement that seems to have broken down.

A woman and two gays in a legal agreement. What could go wrong? The mum in question was accused of using breastfeeding as a weapon against the gay wannabe dads, though it’s not clear from the reporting how this might have been the case.

Even worse, she has been gagged by the High Court, so she cannot tell her story. It is essential to the British understanding of justice that it should be seen to be done, but in this case the public has been denied the right to hear from her and make up its mind about the case.

Justice Alison Russell apparently objected to the mother’s claims that they gay relationship in question was “on-off” and that at least one of the partners was “promiscuous.” But the mother was almost certainly right.

The fact is, most gay relationships are not exclusive, whether by arrangement or cheating. A disproportionately high number involve domestic violence—a fact rarely reported on by the media, which prefers to depict gay relationships as glistening utopias full of rainbows, love, progressive politics and Britney Spears.

It’s bizarre to me that the legal system in this country seems to discriminate so blatantly against fathers… unless, of course, they’re gay, in which case there’s a presumption that they must be well-adjusted, groovy “community leaders” with alphabetised CD collections and perfectly coiffed hair.

The reality is different. Lesbians, in particular, are famous for kicking the **** out of each other, but gay dads too can be cruel and we are starting to see children brought up by single-*** couples share their stories in the media. On the whole, the results are disturbing, and suggest a disproportionately high number of miserable kids.

It isn’t bigoted to point out these things, but worryingly it seems as though the judge in this case is out to prove what a modern, accepting person she is – branding an innocent mother “homophobic” in the process.

That gagging order is sinister, isn’t it? I mean, I’ve been given a gagging order by a judge before, but it didn’t relate to anything as serious as child custody and wasn’t dished out just to protect him from scrutiny. (We had different paperwork for that.)

A friend of the mother, who spoke to the Daily Mail even though it could mean he is imprisoned for contempt of court, said she was a loving parent: “Any accusation that she is homophobic is utter nonsense.

“When we first went to court we could not believe this was happening, and that losing her baby was an option. It is astounding.”

I wouldn’t adopt a child, because I don’t think two dads is the right start in life for a young baby. As a gay man, obviously I’m not a homophobe. And I’m not hugely worried about the prospect of “turning my son gay,” as that seems relatively unlikely.

But it’s worth pointing out that no scientist claims to know the precise balance of nature and nurture that go into deciding whether or not someone will be gay. And there are people who do choose it, as a result of their early life experiences, rather than having it thrust upon them.

The objections to same-*** parenting and adoption are practical as much as moral or scientific. Imagine the ridicule that poor child will be exposed to at school, for example, when it is discovered that dad is really mum—and that there’s another dad at home. And imagine the confusion the child will experience trying to work out why he or she is different from all the other kids around him.

There will be people who say: with so many children needing a good home, surely all that matters is that a household is stable and loving? Well, first of all I’d question, based on my own experience, how stable a gay household can ever really be.

It’s hard enough being bullied in school because you’re adopted. But the stigma being adopted by Adam and Steve is a recipe for social suicide. At least one study says that children with gay parents grow up with more emotional problems.

As for loving, I’m sure there are plenty of young people who had perfectly happy childhoods growing up with two mums or two dads. But there are many, too, who didn’t. And where we can avoid these odd and possibly harmful set-ups, I think we ought to.

All else being equal, there ought to be a presumption in favour not only of biological parents but of heterosexuals, and possibly even single parents. Plenty of gay couples say they want kids, but from the child’s point of view this ought to be a last resort.

Call me old-fashioned, but I think babies need a mum and a dad. In this case, where there was, by the court’s own admission, no risk to the child, I find it appalling that a baby has been snatched from his mother’s loving care and thrown into what could be a deeply dysfunctional home life.


http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers. ... nID=000028





We’re told that the greatest predator on earth isn’t the tiger shark or the lion but the lowly straight white male, a violent, aggressive thug who prowls the streets, raping, beating and killing unsuspecting women. But it is not so: in fact, women in relationships with other women are dramatically more likely to get knocked about by their partners.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05 ... and-a-dad/

Lesbian violence is poorly understood because it is poorly researched, and poorly researched because it makes the gay lobby deeply uncomfortable. We’re not supposed to admit that any kind of gay relationship might have a dark side. It’s all unicorns and Mariah Carey, as far as charities, politicians and the media are concerned.

Except it really isn’t. The news yesterday that a child was spirited away from its birth mother to be brought up by gay dads and the mother subjected to a gagging order so she couldn’t go to the press about it chilled some researchers to the bone. They know what I’m about to tell you: that many children going to adoptive parents, and many surrogate babies, go to lesbian couples.

And so rampant and apparently worsening is the **** domestic violence epidemic that statistically 1 in 3 of these children will witness domestic, or, as we call it these days, “intimate partner” violence.

We’re just starting to see the results of letting gay couples bring up children. It’s not a wholly pleasant vista. Some studies show that children brought up in gay households are more likely to have emotional problems.

And then there’s the harrowing confessional Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting by Heather Barwick, a former gay-marriage advocate turned children’s rights activist who was raised by two women. When kids turn against their homosexual upbringing it always seems to be mom couples.

If you’ve ever heard of a gruesome murder in your neighbourhood in which the short-haired victim was beaten savagely with a rolled-up copy of Saga magazine and then strangled with a jock strap, it’s probably not some terrifying new sadistic white male serial killer, but rather another **** domestic that got out of hand.

Up to 45 per cent of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner and that 30 per cent of lesbians have reported sexual assault or **** by another woman. And those are conservative figures from a small domestic violence support group.

Only transsexuals have a rate anywhere close to that, with 34.6 per cent of trannies reporting nails ripped off, wigs torn and HRT pills flushed down the loo, according to a Massachusetts survey.

Cover-up

Despite woolly reporting and gerrymandered figures, if you dig down you can discover just how big the gap between gay and straight domestic violence figures are: in one study, 23 percent of men who had lived with a man as a couple reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by a male cohabitant, compared to just 7.4 percent of straight men.

Studies that claim the figures for gays and straights are about the same tend to rely on figures that are 20 years out of date or more, practically useless given the fast-moving nature of this issue. Not that you’ll read any fluent demolitions of shoddy research papers: gay charities in particular don’t like to talk about anything that paints homosexuals as less than perfect, and there is no appetite from the gay press for stories about it.

They also cover up just how frequently lesbians come to blows by muddying the waters, lumping gay men and lesbians in together. This 25-32 per cent, for instance, appears to be a deliberate conflation of the two in order to to hide the extraordinarily high number of **** drubbings.

The Huffington Post reported in 2014 that 50 per cent of lesbian women experience one of these Sapphic skimishes at some point in their lives. Yet it wasn’t until 2002 that researchers bothered to look into the scale and character of lesbian domestics and understanding of the phenomenon has not increased dramatically, even among lesbians themselves.

Plus, the women who submit themselves to surveys like this tend to be white and middle-class. When you consider how much higher domestic abuse rates are among poorer communities with drug problems, the overall rate of lesbian violence is likely to be very much higher.

We know, for instance, that black women experience intimate partner violence at rates 35 per cent higher than white women. And those girls know how to swing! So the real figure for lesbian batterings is much higher than we know.

Perhaps the reason lesbians are known for “eating carpet” is that on any given night the butch has the femme in a headlock with the latter’s head rammed against the floor after an argument over a triple-world score in Scrabble.

Fanny batter

We know that a woman’s sexuality is more malleable than a man’s, and that women quite often yo-yo like Anne Heche between male and female partners during their lives. It’s not the done thing to speak of sexuality as a choice, but for many women that’s of course exactly what it is.

Which makes me wonder: why would women choose to put themselves at greater risk of being slapped, kicked, hit or bitten, when so many of them become lesbians precisely to avoid a repeat of their last abusive relationship with a bloke?

It’s not like they’re in it for the ***. Maybe it’s the faint whiff of cat sick, maybe the chafing of polyester bedsheets, but it’s well known that lesbians stop having *** after the first few months and retreat into hobbies like softball, vegetarianism, ***** envy and Twitter.

There’s a common presumption that gay domestic abuse is really just *** or physical intimacy that gets out of hand; that the supposed victim likes it, really. Indeed, I have first-hand experience of such incidents. But that isn’t the case for lesbians, whose double-headed dildos rarely see any action after their first monthiversary.

The strict accuracy of what’s called “lesbian bed death” may be disputed, but that doesn’t mean lesbians aren’t perpetually reminded of their mortality: the threat of being offed in the shed with a golf club is all too real for many wives and girlfriends.

Gays and lesbians are more likely to fight back when assaulted, suggesting that lesbian domestic abuse scenarios look and sound more like pitched battles between caterwauling shrews than one party beating the other senseless.

Just because she can put up shelves doesn’t mean she’s a good surrogate for a man, and she’s probably going to beat you up anyway. So why not at least stay with the dude, instead of settling for a few weeks of scissoring before sexual ennui and fisticuffs set in?

Three quarters of all of bisexual women say they are victims of sexual violence, which suggests that women who do flip-flop between men and women are merely bouncing from abusive relationship to abusive relationship; from straight men who beat them to lesbians who do the same.

I’m not saying all lesbians are violent – though the data suggest that committed lesbians are more likely to raise their fists than bisexual women – but if you were offered a bowl of M&Ms and told that a third of them were poisoned, would you take one?

There’s little excuse for women who say they don’t know about all this: while there is little to no support for gay men who get beaten up by their boyfriends, even though men tend to suffer far worse injuries, plenty of female support networks and hostels cater to both straight women and lesbians.

Who knows. Perhaps these women don’t know what they’re getting themselves into, and imagine that lesbian relationships are a blissful domestic idyll, rather than the hellish reality of being kicked to death by someone in sensible shoes.

Bloodbath

So here’s one final thing you might not know, and strap on—sorry, in—because it’s a doozy. It comes straight from the mouth of a psychotherapist who treats the rich and famous, who says that this little factoid is so incendiary that the psychiatric profession dare not even discuss it.

You may have seen on TV, read about or even experienced how groups of women living or working in close proximity over a long period of time have a tendency to… line up. That is to say, their “special times” coalesce, and those four days when there are absolutely and completely obviously no differences whatsoever in their mood, critical thinking skills and short-temperedness cluster together and get ever more closely in sync.

You can work out the rest for yourself, can’t you? When therapists ask abuse victims to keep a diary of violent incidents, they discover these regular intervals, and eventually work out that both women are – how should I put it? – not at their most calm and reasonable, at exactly the same time, every 28 days or so.

That may go a long way to explaining why lesbians fight so much: there’s no level-headed bloke in the room, so perceived insults and accidental oversights spiral out of control and turn into full-blown wars, complete with shrieking, hair-pulling and airborne knitting needles, as this infamous 1972 study explosively revealed.

(Imagine, if you can, being in the women’s correctional facility at which that study was conducted. Hundreds of women in deadly menstrual harmony, arriving at the cafeteria to discover that the ice cream truck failed to show that week.)

And that’s before we even get to the menopause, whose cruel ravages have driven many a middle-aged woman to lash out at perkier, younger gals. Which is where I think we’ll leave it for today, save to say: if lesbians are offended that some people don’t want them to adopt or have their own kids, perhaps they ought to stop kicking the **** out of each other.
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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby lostandfound » Sat May 21, 2016 10:11 pm

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting
I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dea ... e-hurting/

Gay community, I am your daughter. My mom raised me with her same-*** partner back in the ’80s and ’90s. She and my dad were married for a little while. She knew she was gay before they got married, but things were different back then. That’s how I got here. It was complicated as you can imagine. She left him when I was two or three because she wanted a chance to be happy with someone she really loved: a woman.

My dad wasn’t a great guy, and after she left him he didn’t bother coming around anymore.

Do you remember that book, “Heather Has Two Mommies”? That was my life. My mom, her partner, and I lived in a cozy little house in the ‘burbs of a very liberal and open-minded area. Her partner treated me as if I was her own daughter. Along with my mom’s partner, I also inherited her tight-knit community of gay and lesbian friends. Or maybe they inherited me?

Either way, I still feel like gay people are my people. I’ve learned so much from you. You taught me how to be brave, especially when it is hard. You taught me empathy. You taught me how to listen. And how to dance. You taught me not be afraid of things that are different. And you taught me how to stand up for myself, even if that means I stand alone.

I’m writing to you because I’m letting myself out of the closet: I don’t support gay marriage. But it might not be for the reasons that you think.
Children Need a Mother and Father

It’s not because you’re gay. I love you, so much. It’s because of the nature of the same-*** relationship itself.
It’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.

Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognize the long-term consequences that same-*** parenting had on me. And it’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.

Same-*** marriage and parenting withholds either a mother or father from a child while telling him or her that it doesn’t matter. That it’s all the same. But it’s not. A lot of us, a lot of your kids, are hurting. My father’s absence created a huge hole in me, and I ached every day for a dad. I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.

I grew up surrounded by women who said they didn’t need or want a man. Yet, as a little girl, I so desperately wanted a daddy. It is a strange and confusing thing to walk around with this deep-down unquenchable ache for a father, for a man, in a community that says that men are unnecessary. There were times I felt so angry with my dad for not being there for me, and then times I felt angry with myself for even wanting a father to begin with. There are parts of me that still grieve over that loss today.

I’m not saying that you can’t be good parents. You can. I had one of the best. I’m also not saying that being raised by straight parents means everything will turn out okay. We know there are so many different ways that the family unit can break down and cause kids to suffer: divorce, abandonment, infidelity, abuse, death, etc. But by and large, the best and most successful family structure is one in which kids are being raised by both their mother and father.
Why Can’t Gay People’s Kids Be Honest?

Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.
If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us.

Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”

But children of same-*** parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-*** parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.

This isn’t about hate at all. I know you understand the pain of a label that doesn’t fit and the pain of a label that is used to malign or silence you. And I know that you really have been hated and that you really have been hurt. I was there, at the marches, when they held up signs that said, “God hates fags” and “AIDS cures homosexuality.” I cried and turned hot with anger right there in the street with you. But that’s not me. That’s not us.

I know this is a hard conversation. But we need to talk about it. If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us. You taught me that.

Heather Barwick was raised by her mother and her mother's same-*** partner. She is a former gay-marriage advocate turned children's rights activist. She is a wife and mother of four rambunctious kids.
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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby PHOSPHENE » Sat May 21, 2016 10:34 pm

Shoonra wrote:I don't see why people get to vote

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allowed federal benefits

If we didn't have welfare, or taxation, then nobody would care about the "legal status" of their marriage.
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Re: ‘No Grounding in the Constitution’

Postby Shoonra » Sun May 22, 2016 12:11 am

I am as amused as anyone else to be quoted out of context, so here's the full message in which I said "I don't see why people get to vote":

[quote="Shoonra"]All the houses on my street, for at least a mile in both directions (probably much more), contain a married couple or at least the surviving member of a married couple. In absolutely zero instances did any of these couples need, nor even request, my approval for them to get married. And the same about my marriage needing their approval. Frankly, if crystal balls worked, at least a few of these marriages might have been cancelled. So I don't see why people get to vote on whether their neighbors can marry someone of the same gender. Does it make a difference to anyone outside that house?


I don't get to vote on any of the hetero-marriages up and down my street, even the May-December ones, the marry-for-money ones, the marry-for-a-green-card ones, the shotgun weddings, the clearly bad match ones, etc., -- even if tax benefits or other public/legal considerations are involved, so I don't see why anyone gets to vote on same-*** marriages.
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