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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby palani » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:55 pm

Jethro! wrote: Problem is they say (or presume) it's your signature and drag you into their world. Remember, that (presumed) signature is admissible evidence per Rules of Evidence, and if that's the only evidence on the record, your goose is likely cooked.

Your goose was cooked when you gave up all natural rights in favor of some arbitrary civil rights. Do a bit of root cause analysis and see where your path varied from the straight and narrow.

Jethro! wrote:I propose to correct the records, then their admissible evidence will reflect that all the parties are in agreement. The fight is over before it's begun.

As the 'legal fiction'? You hardly have the right to draw breath much less demand a record be corrected. In the authority with which you have clothed them they have unlimited power. Do you wonder that any method, argument or reason you can come up with is ignored and you end up steam rollered?

If you had any power or authority left you would have fired all your 'public servants' years ago and started enjoying life. Not you specifically Jethro but speaking in general.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby Jethro! » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:29 pm

palani wrote:Your goose was cooked when you gave up all natural rights in favor of some arbitrary civil rights. Do a bit of root cause analysis and see where your path varied from the straight and narrow.


How is the presumption one gave up their natural rights in favor of civil rights expressed, other than via one's signature?

palani wrote:As the 'legal fiction'? You hardly have the right to draw breath much less demand a record be corrected.


You mean the fiction requesting the records correction? I agree with you if a fiction requested the record change. But when a man requests it, that's a different story.

palani wrote:In the authority with which you have clothed them they have unlimited power.


Where would that authority come from except via one's signature? If the signature never existed, then neither did the (presumed) clothing of power.

palani wrote:Do you wonder that any method, argument or reason you can come up with is ignored and you end up steam rollered?


Anybody can get steamrolled, but so long as they have your unrestricted signature (SS-5, DL application, voter registration, etc.) they do enjoy a presumption that you consent to being steamrolled. When their records do not reflect that nun pro tunc, whoever gets on that steamroller now will face liabilities for its misuse.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby palani » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:00 pm

Jethro! wrote:How is the presumption one gave up their natural rights in favor of civil rights expressed, other than via one's signature?
Actions. Civil law gives adequate notice in their written materials. No wonder they don't choose to teach these things to their young.
Jethro! wrote:You mean the fiction requesting the records correction? I agree with you if a fiction requested the record change. But when a man requests it, that's a different story.
That is the problem. A man doesn't request it. A subject does.
Jethro! wrote:Where would that authority come from except via one's signature? If the signature never existed, then neither did the (presumed) clothing of power.
I suppose you would say if a stenographer is not present then the record doesn't exist? Actually the record is preserved in the judges mind (the use of plural judges is not a misprint).

Jethro! wrote:Anybody can get steamrolled, but so long as they have your unrestricted signature (SS-5, DL application, voter registration, etc.) they do enjoy a presumption that you consent to being steamrolled. When their records do not reflect that nun pro tunc, whoever gets on that steamroller now will face liabilities for its misuse.
A judges duty is to expand his jurisdiction. Not saying this justifies his actions but it does explain them.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby Jethro! » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:13 pm

palani wrote:
Jethro! wrote:How is the presumption one gave up their natural rights in favor of civil rights expressed, other than via one's signature?
Actions. Civil law gives adequate notice in their written materials. No wonder they don't choose to teach these things to their young.

If actions were all it took to give up one's natural rights, signature would be unnecessary. But behind virtually every demand of specific performance on the statutes, there lies a signature. e.g. SSA is instructed not to issue a SSN if the signature line is restricted or not filled out. No registering property (for property tax) "in this state" without a signature. No driver license without a signature. Etc. The evidence shows they're quite the sticklers for obtaining one's signature.

palani wrote:That is the problem. A man doesn't request it. A subject does.

"Request" is a polite way of calling it a command. If they refuse the "request", remedies such as mandamus are available.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby palani » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:26 pm

Jethro! wrote: The evidence shows they're quite the sticklers for obtaining one's signature.
Obfuscation. Seems to be the way these blighters operate.

Jethro! wrote:"Request" is a polite way of calling it a command. If they refuse the "request", remedies such as mandamus are available.
This is where the judicial actor instructs the bailiff to upend you, shake you a bit and see what drops out of your pocket. Possession of even a single FRN is going to nullify all your attempts to access Law.

This is the judicial actor performing his function on YOU. You might turn the tables an ask the bailiff to shake the judicial actor while upside down and if any FRNs drop out of his pocket ... well ... who is he then to judge as he has placed himself outside of Law.

Once he is out of Law I suppose he is also out of the range of Mandamus. Instead of a silver bullet you might as well be packin' a paintball and add a little more color to his already colorable existence.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby Jethro! » Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:49 pm

palani wrote:Obfuscation. Seems to be the way these blighters operate.


Getting and maintaining all of those signatures is plenty of work. Seems to be a lot of trouble for mere obfuscation. When stealing is the game, I presume they wouldn't want to create unnecessary work for themselves.

palani wrote:This is where the judicial actor instructs the bailiff to upend you, shake you a bit and see what drops out of your pocket. Possession of even a single FRN is going to nullify all your attempts to access Law.

This is the judicial actor performing his function on YOU. You might turn the tables an ask the bailiff to shake the judicial actor while upside down and if any FRNs drop out of his pocket ... well ... who is he then to judge as he has placed himself outside of Law.

Once he is out of Law I suppose he is also out of the range of Mandamus. Instead of a silver bullet you might as well be packin' a paintball and add a little more color to his already colorable existence.


Well, a mandamus action is and always has been in equity. Invoking the court's equitable powers as plaintiff/relator does not invoke Law anyway.
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Re: Just to Help You Out a Bit

Postby palani » Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:46 am

Jethro! wrote:Getting and maintaining all of those signatures is plenty of work. Seems to be a lot of trouble for mere obfuscation. When stealing is the game, I presume they wouldn't want to create unnecessary work for themselves.
A magician goes to a lot of trouble to make you believe he can disappear a battleship. Illusion works that way. Your belief in signatures lets them off the hook.

Jethro! wrote:Well, a mandamus action is and always has been in equity. Invoking the court's equitable powers as plaintiff/relator does not invoke Law anyway.

Mandamus as a writ executed out of King's Bench to all inferior courts. Writs are common law and not so much equity.
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