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GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby Shuftin » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:40 am

Shoonra wrote:Under sec. 102 of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, which is 18 USC § 922(d)(7), anyone who repudiates his US citizenship loses his right to possess firearms.
The Right to own and bare arms is a Right not Privileged by the Constitution but a Right Protected by the Constitution. As this Right to own and bare arms is already [past tense] Protected by the Constitution, then there was no reason for the Government to legislate a Firearm Owners Protection Act. The Right was already Protected.

The Constitution was written prior to the concept of the term "US citizen." The Constitution of December 15, 1791 was not written to mean that fresh immigrants arriving in the States were to be powerless and defenceless with zero means of protection.

The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 is merely a means of Converting a Constitutionally Protected Right into a Government granted Privilege.
Shoonra wrote:Under sec. 102 of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, which is 18 USC § 922(d)(7), anyone who repudiates his US citizenship loses his right to possess firearms.
This is not an amendment to the Constitution. Therefore it is null and void as it can not lawfully supersede the very Constitution itself. There is a DUE PROCESS for amending the Constitution and this is not it!!!

When the Southern States seceded from the Union, they lost their Constitutionally Protected Right to own and bare arms?

When People repudiated their State citizenship and wagon trailed their way West into uncharted territories, they lost their Constitutionally Protected Right to own and bare arms?

Where was the Firearm Owners Protection Act then?
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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby Pumpkin » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:36 pm

anyone who repudiates his US citizenship loses his right to possess firearms.


The 14th Amendment US citizens are all dead. They lost that right when they died. Anyone who is claiming US citizenship today is in error. People born within the several states of The United States of America today are born with inalienable rights and need no 'privileges or immunities', and they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' due to the sovereign status of the state (themselves).
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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby BOBT12 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:19 pm

This is where all of the gun registration list lead, like Schindler's List,

“Surrender Your Firearms,” Connecticut Tells Unregistered Gun Owners
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State orders owners of newly-banned, unregistered firearms to turn them all in

(Info Wars) – The State of Connecticut is now demanding that gun owners across the state turn in all newly-banned, unregistered firearms and magazines or face felony arrest.

Connecticut is sending out the letter shown below demanding that gun owners surrender their arms.

The State Police Special Licensing & Firearms Unit began mailing out notices to gun owners who attempted to register their firearms and accessories with the state but did not do so in time for the Jan. 1 deadline of Connecticut’s newly enacted gun control law.

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/surrender-firea ... bcnSt.dpuf


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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby PHOSPHENE » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:28 pm

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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby PHOSPHENE » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:37 pm

30 Caliber Magazine Clip in a Half Second! (With the world's FASTEST shooter, Jerry Miculek)
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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby Shuftin » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:20 pm

Washington Police Chief Argues for Police Departments Destroying Guns to Keep People Safe

February 15th, 2016

by Tim Brown

The latest ridiculous arguments to destroy guns comes from Police Chief Ed Holmes, who spoke in favor of HB 2372, which is a bill that relates to the disposition of forfeited firearms in the custody of police.

Holmes, who has served the police department for nearly 22 years and has been the police chief on Mercer Island for nearly a decade, told Washington State representatives, “People look to their law enforcement agencies to keep them safe.”

Stop right there. I’m not looking to law enforcement to keep me safe. I don’t know a lot of people in my area who do. Police officers are not there to keep anyone safe. They are there to follow up once a crime has been committed. It is individuals who are to keep themselves safe. Anybody remember Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke’s admonition regarding that? And more and more police chiefs and sheriffs are coming out and saying this.

“When we take guns off the street from people who should not have them, that is a step in the right direction,” Chief Holmes said. “That helps to keep our community safe, but if we then turn right around and sell those very same guns, that does not keep our community safe, and I’m thinking specifically of when those guns get in the wrong hands. They were in the wrong hands once, they could be in the wrong hands again; and heaven forbid the second time they’re involved with killing a person or a police officer.”

He then went on to talk about having such a thing on his conscience when he “had the opportunity to destroy it.”

“Governments role should not be in a transaction history of selling guns,” he added.

However, one must ask how is Washington State taking guns away from the “wrong hands” and who determines whether or not someone should have a gun or not? After all, Washington State implemented the liberty violating Initiative 594 back in 2014. The initiative was sponsored by billionaire gun grabbers Michael Bloomberg and Bill Gates, which was nothing more than a universal handgun registration scheme that regulates transfers — not just sales — of all firearms in the Evergreen State. It was such a bad law that one museum removed its World War II exhibit firearms due to the structure of the law and its penalties. However, The Washington Arms Expo openly stated they would not comply with the pretended legislation and its background checks, as citizens pledged themselves to not comply with the “law” in what was called the largest felony civil disobedience rally in history!

So, again, I ask, would these law abiding gun owners be considered the “wrong hands” for guns to be in according to Chief Holmes? Furthermore, if police confiscate guns from criminals, wouldn’t they be performing background checks on those people who purchased those guns that were forfeited? One would think so.

However, this was the very question Representative Jay Rodne asked before responding to Holmes’ comment about government’s role not being a transaction history of selling guns, “You should tell that to the Obama administration.”

His statement drew applause from several in the room.

“I would assume that every firearm that you sell is subject to a background check, correct,” Rodne queried. “I mean you don’t sell those firearms to citizens who are without a background check.”

While Holmes claims that police departments don’t sell the guns, he then turns and claims that they are sold to dealers. Now, in order to do that, those dealers must have a Federal Firearms License in order to sell to someone else. Yes, it’s bureaucracy and yes, I believe it is unconstitutional, but that is how things work.

However, Holmes admits that anyone purchasing the arms from the dealer must go through checks too! However, he claims, “You know, there’s that risk! They were in the wrong hands once, they could certainly be in the wrong hands again, and why are we in the business of being on that transaction history?”

Well, Chief Holmes, there’s a risk you run that someone will steal your gun or one of your officers, should we then follow your logic and destroy them while they are in your possession?

Ronde then hit the nail on the head in exposing the hypocrisy of the background checks system.

“You’re not suggesting that the background checks system is somehow incomplete?” he asked.

“I’m not talking at all about the background system,” Chief Holmes affirmed.

Then what are we talking about? The fact that the police department had a gun they may have confiscated from a violent criminal and then took and sold it to a licensed dealer, who then sold it to a law abiding citizen, who may have it stolen one day by a criminal and use it in a murder? Is that really where this is all going? This, my friends is the lunacy that exists in gun grabbing land. It really is. By the Chief’s own logic, no one should ever sell a gun, including licensed dealers because they may be involved in a transaction history (a lawful one) of a gun that one day may be used in the commission of a crime.

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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby Shoonra » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:45 am

This idea - that guns swept up in crime investigations should be destroyed or at least rendered permanently unworkable - is already in place in a number of a jurisdictions.
There is no requirement, in the Second Amendment or elsewhere, that the govt, on any level, should be in the business of selling secondhand firearms, especially the firearms already used in crimes.

Metaphorically, those guns have tasted human blood, and it seems appropriate to destroy them. I might add that a very considerable number of guns acquired by law enforcement this way are Saturday night specials - cheap and low quality handguns, and ill-suited for lawful uses.
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Re: GUN GRABBERS SAY THE DAMNEDEST THINGS!

Postby PHOSPHENE » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:11 am

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