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Postby Pumpkin » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:19 pm

He seems to be a lack sack of crap. I supported his campaign positions, but they seem to have been a lie. So far he has done an about face on Syria, because he thinks he thinks Assad would find it beneficial to use chemical weapons on his own people, likely a black swan, (sounds familiar, didn't Saddam do that too? So 'brutal'). He crapped out on repealing ObamaCare, and kept so much of the BS, it failed). And now the corporate tax reduction is dead (funny that anyone thinks that anyone but the people pays taxes. Take the people out of anything, and see if any tax is paid).
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Re: Trump

Postby Shoonra » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:24 am

Ration your outrage. He isn't even through his first hundred days. It's gonna be a long four years.
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Re: Trump

Postby country_hick » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:38 am

Do you think Hillary would have been better?

Sometimes in office things are discovered that change positions held prior to having that knowledge.
Sometimes we are mislead. Sometimes statements are misconstrued.

Do not forget, Trump is facing internal problems from republicans and democrats. That limits his options.
Give it time. Things may not be as far off as you think. Maybe they will be. It is still early in the game.
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Re: Trump

Postby Shuftin » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:09 pm

How to make changes in Government. The rules are written. Chiseled in stone. The House introduces a bill. This bill is read (verbally into record) three times in open session on three different dates. Then it is voted on. If passed. The bill goes to the Senate. Again. The bill is read (verbally into record) three times in open session on three different dates. Then it is voted on. If passed by both the House and the Senate. The bill is placed before the President of the United States for his signature (Enactment).

Obama bypassed congress and the rule of law by creating Executive orders. Think about this. Executive orders from a CEO of a Corporation. Executive orders are purely in-house rules and regulations for the Corporation. Executive orders do not apply to (Cash in hand) customers of the Corporation. But "We The People" have been lead to believe that Executive orders created by the CEO of the United States of America apply the "We The People." Who needs Congress? Who needs the rule of law? The President of the United States of America can pass laws from the oval office without the need of congress.

Trump did what he could by reversing Obama's Executive orders with his own Executive orders. Now it is out of Trump's hands.
How to make changes in Government. The rules are written. Chiseled in stone. The House introduces a bill. This bill is read (verbally into record) three times in open session on three different dates. Then it is voted on. If passed. The bill goes to the Senate. Again. The bill is read (verbally into record) three times in open session on three different dates. Then it is voted on. If passed by both the House and the Senate. The bill is placed before the President of the United States for his signature (Enactment).
How can anyone (You) blame Trump for sitting in the oval office, pen in hand, awaiting a bill from congress to sign (Enact). He's done all that he can as an individual. Now we are play by prison rules, errrrrrrr, Governmant rules.
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Re: Trump

Postby Shoonra » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:54 pm

Obama didn't invent the Executive Order, they go back to Lincoln, perhaps earlier, altho numbering them starts around Woodrow Wilson. And there are a great many things that Exec Orders cannot do. And quite a few things that they are meant to do that are really unsuitable for legislation because legislation reacts too slowly and amounts to micromanaging the Executive Branch, which infringes on the separation of powers. Exec Orders normally instruct executive agencies on their internal operations without placing any additional/unnecessary responsibilities or burdens on outsiders.

The description given for the passage of a bill is but one way it happens. Just as often, a bill begins in the Senate. Often the same bill is proposed simultaneously by members in both Chambers to speed up the process. The three readings are often dispensed with now that amended texts of bills can be mass-printed overnight.

Among the odd bits of history involving Exec Orders, in 1933, in the depths of the Depression, it became painfully obvious that Veterans benefits conjured up during the Civil War and expanded during the First World War - such as free medical care for anything at all forever for veterans - were 'way too expensive for the govt. So Congress gutted nearly the entire Veterans Pension title of the US Code and legislated that the President (then FDR) could effectively replace all the veterans benefits laws by issuing Exec Orders for three years, and at the end of those three years the Exec Order then in place would be treated as if Acts of Congress and made part of the US Code, and thereafter Congress would amend those provisions by legislation. This created a very strange arrangement in that part of the US Code from 1934 until 1958, when Congress redrafted the whole title of Pensions, renamed it Veterans Benefits and re-enacted it as positive law.
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