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Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,'

Postby Shuftin » Thu May 25, 2017 10:05 pm

Stricter vaccination waiver rules hurt 'parental rights,' GOP lawmaker says

May 25, 2017

Brian McVicar

Residents packed a legislative hearing Thursday where lawmakers took testimony on bills in the Michigan House of Representatives that would undo a rule requiring parents to take additional steps before opting out of vaccinating their children.

The bills would eliminate a state rule mandating that parents seeking a vaccination waiver participate in an educational meeting with a local health worker about vaccines before they can receive a waiver. The legislation also would axe a requirement that parents sign a form indicating they could be putting their children at risk by refusing the shots.
a requirement that parents sign a form indicating they could be putting their children at risk by refusing the shots.
There are already laws on the books concerning child endangerment.

Criminal Court of law. Do you confess to your crimes?

Did you
"Knowingly" and "Willingly." "Deliberately" and "Intentionally" put your child at risk?

We have a signed confession----of a criminal----committing a criminal conspiracy----on record.

Where will this signed document lead to tomorrow? - Shuftin

Supporters of the legislation say the requirements, implemented in 2015 by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services amid a national increase in vaccination waiver rates, violates the rights of parents and creates an unnecessary hurdle. They also say the meetings can be time-consuming and often require parents to take time off work to attend them.

"It's an overreach," Rep. Tom Barrett, R-Potterville, a lead sponsor of the legislation, told members of the House Education Reform Committee, which held a hearing on the bills.

Michigan children entering kindergarten must show proof of immunization for measles, pertussis, polio, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox, diphtheria and tetanus, unless a parent signs a waiver. A waiver can be obtained by parents who voice medical or religious objections.

Opponents of the bills, which include public health groups, say the educational meetings help ensure parents, before they receive a vaccination waiver, have a good grasp of vaccines and how they impact a child's health.

"They do not remove parents' ability to sign an exemption for their child," said Dr. Eden Wells, the chief medical executive at the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.

Vaccines protect children and the public from outbreaks and vaccine-preventable diseases, public health groups say.

Michigan had the sixth highest vaccination waiver rate for kindergarteners in the U.S. during the 2014-15 school year, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan House Fiscal Agency.

After the rule change went into effect in 2015, the waiver rate for kindergarteners dropped from 4.8 percent to 3.1 percent. The rate increased slightly in 2016, to 3.2 percent.

Rep. Tim Kelly, R-Saginaw Township, who chairs the education reform committee, supports the legislation but said it "doesn't have the votes" to move out of his committee.

"This isn't about the policy of the waiver," he said. "It's about the politics of what's gone on. This is about an administration that's gone beyond what the statute says."

Kelly was referring to the fact that the rule requiring the meetings was implemented by MDHHS through the regulatory process - not by the Legislature. Barrett, during his testimony, also took issue with that fact, asking, "Do bureaucrats make law in the state, or does the Legislature?"

Wells, however, said such an approach by a state agency is far from unusual, because it's "how the laws are implemented." She added that there was a public comment period and public hearings for the rule.

"There was adequate opportunity to weigh in," she said.

Thursday's hearing drew a significant crowd - including people on both sides of the issue - that filled several overflow rooms, where attendees watched the hearing through television screens.

That included Meghan Flaska, 40, who lives near Kalkaska and came to the meeting with two of her four children to support the legislation.

"We are not opposed to vaccines," she said, adding that three of her children received at least some of their vaccinations. "We are just concerned about the ability to keep that choice intact without additional challenges."

Those additional challenges, especially for residents of rural northern Michigan, can include long commutes to a health department for an educational meeting with a health professional, Flaska said.

"These more rural health departments don't necessarily have the hours available to make it more convenient for people to go outside of work hours," she said.

Terri Adams, section manager of the division of immunizations at MDHHS, said the meetings are typically conducted face-to-face, because the goal is to have parents sign the form acknowledging they understand the risks of failing to vaccinate a child.

But, she said, "if there's no way the parent can be there," the health departments will typically work with the parent to make an accommodation of some sort. In places like Mackinac Island, that has included a telephone conversation with parents, Adams said.

"We know it is an inconvenience for some parents," she said.

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Re: Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,

Postby BOBT12 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:07 pm

Shuftin wrote:Stricter vaccination waiver rules hurt 'parental rights,' GOP lawmaker says

May 25, 2017

Brian McVicar

Residents packed a legislative hearing Thursday where lawmakers took testimony on bills in the Michigan House of Representatives that would undo a rule requiring parents to take additional steps before opting out of vaccinating their children.

I certainly hope that they succeed.
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Re: Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,

Postby MichaelLynch:Freeman » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:44 pm

Shuftin wrote:Stricter vaccination waiver rules hurt 'parental rights,' GOP lawmaker says

May 25, 2017

Brian McVicar

Residents packed a legislative hearing Thursday where lawmakers took testimony on bills in the Michigan House of Representatives that would undo a rule requiring parents to take additional steps before opting out of vaccinating their children.

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What/who's law says that a father and mother must have their young boys and girls vaccinated? Does the State make those laws? Are the "children", because they have birth certificates, deemed to be property of the State? How can parents be required to do anything when in reality, the State of Michigan House of Representatives does not have the territorial jurisdiction to do so? Oh, I forgot, the parents consented!!
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Re: Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,

Postby BOBT12 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:18 pm

There's no actual law on this vaccine garbage. However, there are various "mandates" which these statutes address. Most of these mandates are connected to some sort of government program, such as public schooling and the like. And, thus, in all fifty states there are opt out provisions.
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Re: Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,

Postby MichaelLynch:Freeman » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:54 pm

BOBT12 wrote:There's no actual law on this vaccine garbage. However, there are various "mandates" which these statutes address. Most of these mandates are connected to some sort of government program, such as public schooling and the like. And, thus, in all fifty states there are opt out provisions.

(Emphasis added)


Let me ask a question: If government does not have authority (jurisdiction) to tell anyone what to do in the first place, why does there need to be an "opt out" for something that has no applicability? Once again, it is because people have consented to the territorial jurisdiction of the State or this would not be happening?
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Re: Stricter Vaccination Waiver Rules Hurt 'Parental Rights,

Postby Pumpkin » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:51 am

I have dealt with this in Indiana. They don't put up too much of a fight. They really can't, in most states the education system is a constitutional law and the rest of the crap is only statutes.
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