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Re: territorial jurisdiction

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Re: territorial jurisdiction

Postby PHOSPHENE » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:09 pm

MichaelLynch:Freeman wrote:Yes, those that consent

Thank you for acknowledging that there is more to jurisdiction than just "territory"

How is "consent" or "allegiance" proven?

You never signed the Constitution.
Licenses are not consensual or contractual in nature. A license is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal.
A birth certificate is not a contract either. Because Infants can't form agreements.
"Sign this tax form, or we give the job to someone else." is coercion, not consent.
"Get the social security number, or you won't be able to earn at all." is not a consensual scenario.
"Get the passport, or you may not travel." is not consensual.
Voting isn't necessarily evidence of allegiance either.


It cannot be said that, by voting, a man pledges himself to support the Constitution, unless the act of voting be a perfectly voluntary one on his part. Yet the act of voting cannot properly be called a voluntary one on the part of any very large number of those who do vote. It is rather a measure of necessity imposed upon them by others, than one of their own choice.
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Re: territorial jurisdiction

Postby country_hick » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:01 pm

[quote="PHOSPHENE"]Voting isn't necessarily evidence of allegiance either.[quote]
I have no idea why I keep voting My vote never is on the winning side.
I vote to hope to limit or remove government not to accept it.
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Re: territorial jurisdiction

Postby Nunya_Bizness » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:07 pm

country_hick wrote:="PHOSPHENE"]Voting isn't necessarily evidence of allegiance either.
I have no idea why I keep voting My vote never is on the winning side.
I vote to hope to limit or remove government not to accept it.

Voting may not be evidence of allegiance, but is the States evidence that you were trying to deny that you hadn't given that you are a resident or citizen. There's your cooked goose.
Plus you did not deny(when I inquired in a previous post) that you have a driver license issued to you from The State of Maine.
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