Sui Juris Club Forum

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I'm a little late to posting this, but still worth it to see "the lizard people" walk away from the Law.

This is no trifle. The dubious procedure used for the union-busting bill will very likely result in very serious (and probably prolonged) litigation. It certainly must have rubbed a good deal of the electorate the wrong way. And, of course, the bill does not, by itself, add a penny to the State treasury, it merely reduces the schoolteachers - and all other civil servants - to wage slaves. The end result will probably be very bad for Wisconsin generally.

At the same time, the Republicans are mounting a TV campaign that suggests that (1) union workers get paid 42% more than non-union workers and (2) Obama likes the unions. This can blow up in the Republicans' faces. FactCheck says that the 42% number is wrong - gotten by comparing union workers in the North with non-union workers in the South, but when workers in the same states are compared the difference is closer to 10%. However, to most people in the audience -- and that means middle and working class people -- it comes across as "unions will be good for you".

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/20 ... evolt.html

Government worker is an oxymoron. This is a symptom of the belt tightening austerity measures that will be coming soon to an area near you. Walker is cut from the same cloth as all the other tax-feeders. If he was serious he would decertify every union 'representing' the public servants,and along with himself,take a 25% pay cut.
[Actually -if you believe in a government the only way is that those in government ,volunteer-work for free- won't hold my breath on that idea.]

All public employees(parsite class) are payed from tax money (stolen at the barrel of a gun) from the working people(productive class)All the wages,pensions,health benefits etc. come from those that produce.Gummint is a negative-value entity,it produces nothing and consumes mass quantities. Also the proper perspective that, gumint 'public servants' pay no tax what -so-ever. They simply rebate back into the kitty,monies, stolen at the barrel of a gun,from the producers.

The public servant is supposedly accountable to the public and should be bounced out of the job when they lose the publics trust,no union interposition.
Unions are for the private sector only.

Here is what my taxes pay for when a union represents a 'public employee'=

While police in Madison storm the barricades alongside their fellow revenue hogs, one of their number -- drug enforcement Officer Denise Markham -- is in the fourteenth month of what will eventually be a nearly two-and-a-half-year-long paid vacation.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-173223408.html

Markham was suspended in June 2009 while the department conducted a leisurely and stressless "internal investigation" which eventually ruled that she had engaged in "overbearing, oppressive or tyrannical conduct," "improper searches," improper handling of "controlled substances," and unlawful seizure of private property (that is, theft).


Instead of facing criminal charges, Markham was allowed to resign on December 31 -- but she will continue to receive "sick leave," vacation, and comp time that continued to accumulate even while she was on paid suspension. According to Madison Police Chief Noble Wray, "this is really the best deal for all parties concerned," given the union-negotiated contract provisions dealing with circumstances of this kind.


Indeed, the deal cut with Denise Markham is miserly compared to the treatment lavished on Michael Grogan, another Madison cop who was fired after being convicted of disorderly conduct for a December 2004 DUI-related incident. After wrecking his car, Grogan -- who was pants-pissing drunk -- kicked in the door of the first house he found and collapsed in a reeking puddle on the floor. After being shaken awake by strangers the following morning, Grogan drooled out a few incoherent syllables and then staggered out.


A few weeks later, Grogan was put on a paid vacation that would last for three years. During that time, he would collect nearly $250,000 while he and his police union-provided attorney used every dilatory tactic in their arsenal to forestall final termination until they had wrung every possible penny from the productive public.


These are typical examples of the kind of "public service" made possible through "collective bargaining." And they are very suitable illustrations of the mind-set of those who wouldn't hesitate to irrigate the gutters with blood in the event that Mundanes ever decide to stage a tax strike.


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http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/20 ... workforce/
When added up all the numbers found that the true size of the federal government was about 11 million: 1.8 million civil servants, 870,000 postal workers, 1.4 million military personnel, 4.4 million contractors, and 2.5 million grantees.

However, this turned out to be a low-water mark. Over the next few years, even before 9/11, the true size of government increased significantly, almost all in the “shadow” sector. By 2005, the federal government employed 14.6 million people: 1.9 million civil servants, 770,000 postal workers, 1.44 million uniformed service personnel, 7.6 million contractors, and 2.9 million grantees. This amounted to a ratio of five and a half “shadow” government employees for every civil servant on the federal payroll. Since 1999, the government had grown by over 4.5 million employees.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/c ... nu-43/1057

CBO says federal employees rake in much more pay

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -more-pay/

Buoyed by generous benefit packages, federal workers earn significantly better compensation than similarly educated workers in the private sector, according to a report released Monday from Congress‘ chief scorekeeper that threatens to reignite at the national level last year’s state battles over public-employee rights.

Overall, federal workers earn 16 percent more in total compensation — including wages and benefits — than comparable private-sector employees, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Only private-sector workers with the highest levels of education, such as doctors and lawyers, earn more than their public counterparts.

The finding is incendiary at a time when Republicans in Congress are fighting for a freeze on federal worker salaries and the Obama administration is balking, arguing that after two years of freezes, it’s time to ramp up pay.

The CBO said federal workers do better in wages at the low education end, are about equal in the middle, and fall behind the private sector at the top end.

But the key difference is in benefits, where federal workers average more than $20 per hour in compensation — 48 percent higher than the $13.60 in prorated hourly benefits in the private sector. Added together, CBO said, that means significantly higher pay for government employees.

“For workers at all education levels, the cost of total compensation averaged about $52 per hour worked for federal employees, compared with about $45 per hour worked for employees in the private sector with certain similar observable characteristics,” CBO analysts said in their report.

Unions that represent federal workers said the CBO’s comparison was pointless.

The CBO looked at workers with equivalent education levels, but John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, said the better approach is to compare specific jobs. On that measure, Bureau of Labor Statistics figures show that federal employees make less than those working equivalent jobs in the private sector.

“Salaries and wages should be a function of the job, not the job-holder — and that’s the case in the federal government,” Mr. Gage said.

He also said the federal government doesn’t consider race, age or sex in employment, and questioned whether discrimination may play a role in holding down pay for some in the private sector.

“The logical implications of a study such as CBO’s can border on the absurd. Assessing the cost of hiring certain numbers of whites and racial minorities, young and old, women and men might lead to the ridiculous notion that since the private sector pays, on average, lower wages to women and racial minorities, then to cut costs, the government should hire more people with those demographic characteristics, rather than hire according to skill,” he said.

Emboldened by the 2010 elections, new Republican governors and legislative majorities in some states last year battled public workers in attempts to curtail benefits and in some cases strip collective bargaining rights.

The fight was most pointed in Wisconsin, where Gov. Scott Walker is likely to face a recall vote this year over his push, and in Ohio, where Gov. John Kasich’s effort to curtail public employee unions’ bargaining power was overturned by a referendum in November.

In Washington, the battle has been less heated — in part because Republicans haven’t gone as far as their state counterparts, and in part because the GOP and Democrats agreed on halting cost-of-living increases for federal civilian workers in 2011 and 2012. That did not rule out pay increases for merit or promotions, but both sides said it amounts to a freeze.

The House has a vote slated for this week to continue that freeze through the end of 2013 for federal workers, members of Congress and their staff.