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TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby agentsmith » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:26 pm

...for "some" passengers.


Travelers who previously chose a pat-down at airports to avoid body scanners may no longer have the option. The US government quietly updated the rules concerning the use of body scanners, letting TSA agents make screening mandatory for some people.
While the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has promoted widespread use of body-imaging scanners for years, they allowed passengers to opt out of the scan and undergo a pat-down by a TSA agent instead. A new privacy assessment by the Department of Homeland Security, however, says the scanners no longer violate the privacy of individuals, and allows the TSA to refuse opt-outs on certain occasions.

“While passengers may generally decline AIT screening in favor of physical screening, TSA may direct mandatory AIT screening for some passengers,” says a Privacy Impact Assessment Update signed by DHS Chief Privacy Officer Karen L. Neuman, using the acronym for Advanced Imaging Technology to refer to scanners.


https://www.rt.com/usa/326919-tsa-body-scanner-rules/
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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby Jethro! » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:05 pm

If they're gonna make it mandatory, then obviously they will assume all liability for any and all harm it causes for those who don't wish to subject themselves to this experimental technology. To that end, each time they demand you go through the naked scanner against your will, they should have to put a significant sum into an escrow ($100,000 per incidence sounds good) to pay for any potential harm it may cause you. They get it back when you die (assuming that death wasn't related to the body scanners, or they never shared your nude images, etc).

Sounds like a mighty fine offer to make to those folks.
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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby BOBT12 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:07 pm

That's not good news. :evil:
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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby palani » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:20 pm

Creeping mandatoryianism.

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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby Shoonra » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:27 pm

There is nothing in the law that says you have to travel by commercial airliner. So if you want to avoid the luggage and body exams, just charter your own plane. Or take a train or a boat or a bus.

That's how the courts will respond. This is an indignity and annoyance that supposedly is for the public good (and, you'll have to admit, there hasn't been an effective hijacking or bombing of a US commercial airliner since they started this).
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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby fulltitle » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:31 pm

9/11 was planned as an excuse to implement the new airport security system. The full body scanners was a scheme they hope to hatch long before they were rolled out (see the movie Total Recall). 9/11 was the catalyst for implementing the over-reaching and necessary SURVEILLANCE system. The reason for the body scanners has little to nothing to do with promoting safety aboard airliners it is a way to create a 'universal catalog' of names, faces, bodies they are creating a identity matching system. Those scanners are capable of reading DNA level information and blood type. They are souped up MRI systems. They are BUILDING A CATOLOG. The term in the intel community for what they are doing is MASINT.

They have been doing voice printing for ages via THE TELEPHONE SYSTEM. "random calls" out of nowhere are a way of voice printing you. You say "Hello" --done..gotcha. The scanner machines the TSA are using are "body printing'. The technology for doing blood typing and DNA is very much available. Ever wonder why they used cameras with multiple lenses at the DMV? :)

The same technology that you use to identify songs by holding your smartphone up to the speaker at a bar is the same technology used to identify airplanes and submarines and yachts by the sounds their engines make, etc. The same technology is now being turned against "the populace". It is conceivably possible to reconstruct a hard drive or a SSD device based on detailed MRI-type scans. THEY ARE BUILDING A CATALOG OF EVERYONE THAT PASSES THROUGH. By having a super HD 3d catalog (at the molecular level) they can identify someone from the side even if it just means narrowing down who it might be.

If you question the above, look at how CERN, Fermilab, etc. use x-rays and gamma rays generated by particle accelerators to study molecular and molecular structures.

So what is mandatory? It is mandatory for TSA to continue building the catalog.

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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby Jethro! » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:04 am

Shoonra wrote:There is nothing in the law that says you have to travel by commercial airliner. So if you want to avoid the luggage and body exams, just charter your own plane. Or take a train or a boat or a bus.

Except I have a right to create a contract of carriage with a commercial airliner, and no government creature can impair it or cause me harm while that contractual obligation is being carried out. So… 1) There's no law that says I have to get "government ID" in order to contract, so they can't "require" "government issued ID" as an absolute condition to board a plane. And 2) They can't force me to go through the naked/radiation scanner if I have reason to believe it may cause me harm… unless they're willing to indemnify that harm.

So govy can put up a bond from which I draw from should I be harmed by their "mandatory" screening practices.

Shoonra wrote:That's how the courts will respond. This is an indignity and annoyance that supposedly is for the public good (and, you'll have to admit, there hasn't been an effective hijacking or bombing of a US commercial airliner since they started this).

Except TSA has not stopped one, single "terrorist attack" ever. EVER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEdKdgi2hg


TSA body scanners are remarkably easy to defeat…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEoc_1ZkfA
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Re: TSA body scanners now mandatory...

Postby fulltitle » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:07 pm

Because TSA has nothing to do with stopping 'terrorism'. TSA is for surveillance (as contrasted with security or safety) and 'traveler control' and revenue generation through 'lightweight confiscation'. Have you ever heard the suggestion that aircraft luggage bays be balistically reinforced or that luggage be placed into separate reinforced compartments? Why not? The process would be far less expensive than establishing TSA and buying all those x-ray machines. If security and safety where the top priorities why weren't aircraft simply balastically reinforced? (There are very inexpensive and proven processes for that.) Note: if you reinforce and segment the cargo bays, the bombs the spy types would plant on commercial airliners would become ineffective.

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So all the bleh bleh bleh about security and countering terrorism and not a single mandate to reinforce airliners which would probably have cost less than TSA and all those x-ray machines, when security and safety could have been easily obtained by re-inforcing the luggage holds and reducing carry-on to one. All luggage gets scanned--done. Armed "Air Detectives" makes far more sense. Consider how easy it is to release a knock-out gas into a cabin to incapacipate terrorists while the pilots land the aircraft. When you see the obvious solutions bypassed you just have to realize that true intent and purpose isn't what is rumored. If an airport is going to be breeched it will be done intel/spy style via someone with law enforcement or security access. "Geoengineering" chemicals are put aboard aircraft by people with access to secure areas. What's a bomb?

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